Podcast and Chill with MacG

00:01 Release yourself from order and logic and enter a new place. It's not work. It's not home. Here, no maps have been drawn. No books have been written. 00:19 Nothing is certain. Everything is possible. 00:23 Welcome to Podcasts. 00:28 I'm assuming this doesn't end well. 00:31 We are back, ladies and gentlemen! 00:36 Today we've got a special guest. He's one of my favorite journalists, one of my favorite broadcasters. 00:43 You might have heard him on YFM, you might have heard him on 5FM, you might have seen him on ENCA, you might have heard him on KFM, and now he's officially a podcaster! who joined the podcast and chill network. Ladies and gentlemen, please make some noise for the one and only McFarlane Mulally. When it comes to Max, he's the pro Max of Max's. What one? Yeah. I'm the original, he's the pro Max. Oh. 01:15 What kind of poison? Listen, I'm born. I'm like a cat on a hot tin roof on a summer's day. Because I'm Bubba last from last night. It was my birthday. 01:24 Yeah, birthday boy. Shut up, bro. How was it? How was it? 01:27 Happy birthday, man. It was a mess. Like the kids woke me up in the morning. The first thing says, Dad, what do you want? Because I get it. You know, the kids want to be nice, right? So they give you breakfast and cognac. You know what I mean? And you have to stop first then. It's like, yeah, one way. Yeah, pusha. 01:39 Nunchilas punching. 01:41 Yeah. 01:41 Please play a video. He showed a video on his what's happening today. I don't know what was happening here, man. Oh, that's where you got the video. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got the moves, McFarlane, bro. 01:51 Yeah, I saw you. 01:51 I mean, I didn't make it this video now. 01:53 Hey, what's going on? Yeah, McFarlane. Yeah, McFarlane. Yeah, McFarlane. Yeah, McFarlane. Yeah, McFarlane. Yeah, McFarlane. 02:02 Yo, but one thing you must never do, Sol. Have you ever been out with Mac, bro? Nah. Bro! Yes, sis. It's dangerous. For real? It's an extreme sport. 02:14 He pushes you to the limits. 02:16 Bro, so we had a... We had a meeting the other day, right? So he's like, no, come to my side of the world. You stay by the West, no? In the West Rand, yeah. Yeah, West Rand, right. So we got to this place. It's like one of those news cafe places where, like, during the day, it's like... restaurant, and then later becomes a vibe. Yeah, a vibe, yeah. So I drive there, I'm like, ah, it's a meeting, quick in and out. Nice. Bro. 02:40 Shot after shot after shot after shot after shot after shot after shot after. Banna. Banna make fun. The shot though. He's lighting him up. 02:51 He's lighting him up, dog. He ended up in deep sleuth. 02:55 He ended up in deep sleuth. He's there like four ways. 02:59 Yeah, so that's what happened. Listen to the story. So now it's like 11 midnight and him and Bada want to go to a second location. 03:09 I'm like, second locations are dangerous. 03:11 I ain't playing that part. I'm not playing that game, bro. So I'm like, fuck. I gotta ditch these guys, right? So I ditched these guys. I'm drunk as fuck, bro. 03:21 Ended up in... 03:23 What's it? Midlands. 03:24 Deep Sloot. Deep Sloot. I ended up in... You ditching them driving on your own. 03:28 Yeah, because remember I went there for a meeting. I don't know, it's a drinking session. You know, I would have got an Uber. You know what I mean? So I ended up in... Where's it? Deep Sloot. Deep Sloot, bro. Oh, trying to find your way home. Yeah, trying to find my way home. 03:44 And then I saw a tavern. And then I'm like, it's a hydration break. Then I went in. 03:50 In the spirit of the World Cup. In the spirit of the World Cup. 03:55 Bro, I had to get my driver to take me home, bro, because I was too late. No ways, man. I had to call Tuso. Yeah, I had to call Tuso, bro. I had to call help. Yeah, bro. 04:03 I ain't never kidding about going out with you, Meg, bro. 04:06 Fuck it up. 04:07 This guy's a rock star, bro. I kid you not. But I kid also, we're old school, right? It's like, go big or go home. What's this thing? Like, guys, I drink Castle Light. Kid, what are you doing? Yeah, like for real. He's drinking light alcohol. I'm going to have one or two and then I'm going to leave. Fuck off. Then just rather not hang out with me. It's fine. Go home, go chill with the kids and play PlayStation. But because if you go in, we go in. No, that's how I was raised. 04:29 Mishpik say, man, bro, I wasn't raised like that, but that's my belief too. Yeah. Woo! I was raised better. But that's my belief as well. Go big or go home. No ladies around the table going to order a castle light. Why? Why? What is this? Come on, how does that work, man? 04:49 Bro, you got to tell him the Mendoza story. He's got a funny story. It's one of the funniest stories I've ever heard. 04:54 So back in the days, right? And look, disclaimer here, like, we were still very young. Young, dumb, and, you know, just wanted to come. 05:01 So what happened was... Young, dumb, and full of cum. 05:04 And, like, the industry at that time, there were no cell phones. There was no social media. What a time, what a time. I'm a private school boy, right? So my first line of cocaine was like in standard eight, and I'm speaking like 1992, 94, right? 05:17 Jesus Christ, bro, you serious? Wang, understand, right? 05:21 So at the time, like very young, whatever, coming into the industry, YFM, doots, doots, doots, doots, the originals, right? And so we go out with Mandoza. I think it was Mandoza was there. Who's the guy from TKZ that passed away? Magesh was there. I think Brown Dash was there at the time. Cocaine Boys. 05:40 Cocaine Boys. Sinaloa Cartel. I've been here, bro. 05:47 Colombino. 05:48 Bambino. 05:49 We end up in some house in Soweto, right? We're in Soweto, and we're hanging from the night before. It's just like... No worries! A week was probably like one day, you know what I mean? Like, you don't know, sun's up, down, whatever. But we're in the house. People are coming in and out. Anyway, drug den. 06:07 Anyway, so I get there. I think we're coming back from 115. We're chilling there, and like... 06:12 Now gears run out. People are like, ah, guys, we need more. We need more, you know, the day's still young. They're like, no. Mandoz's like, no. Because he used to speak like how he sings. Even when he speaks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 06:25 I get into the car with Mandoz. He used to drive a black Jeep. We go somewhere in town to go collect some stash. 06:41 Bonus, soldier. If I've ever regretted anything in my life, it was that trip no man does. Yo! We go to town. 06:48 get to town, it's like, ah, boy, eh, but-a-funa unfit five bags, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 07:14 CD, a bag of coke, two lines. Why am I here? At that time, I felt like I want to go to my mom and hug her and tell her I love her and I'm sorry for all the shit that I've done, right? Because two lines. 07:40 It means it's mine. 07:45 This one is mine. It's looking at me. It's like a fucking meter long line. I'm like, damn, bro. Anyway, boy, I hit this thing. 07:56 Look, you feel it immediately. 07:59 Papa, it doesn't play. It's not here for, ah, no, no. It's going to hit you in like 30 minutes. No, now. Oh, bro. Now. Whoa. 08:08 That just happened after we just bought. 08:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're just coming out of Johanna's bag, right? Coming out and we're going to... Where in Jersey? In town? Somewhere in town. All the dingy places, Nigerians, Abahambe guys, right? So... 08:21 So we're there, and so we're coming out. So that's the first bag, right? We're coming, we drive out of town, and now we're going onto almost like the Soweto highway behind, what's this place, F&B Stadium, right? I'm thinking, I know, I am buzzing out of my nones. My nipples are like, this boy. I'm like, oh, okay, it's fine. I'm done for the day, guys. I've tried something that I've never done before. Sharp. Uh-uh. How do you get a Soweto? Hey, boy, let's do it. I'm feeling shiny. 08:48 LAUGHTER I think by the time we got to the den, we were like three bags down, we had two left to sit down. 09:21 I found a corner in the sofa. I sat still. I contemplated my life. Never again. Never, ever again. I had my Madiba moment, ever. 09:44 Wait, did you not like fall to the same fate as Mike Tyson though? Because Mike Tyson just recently confessed that he's got like now an erectile dysfunction from like cocaine. Whoa! Causes yourself dick! Yeah, well, his use of cocaine. 10:10 I thought it makes you like, girl, I'm machining. So, no. And, you know, as lighthearted as that might seem, Mike Tyson's story is true, right? And if you look at a lot of the people that were, especially back in those days, that were indulging in coke, right, it does cause erectile dysfunction. However, the sensation only happens if you're not wearing a condom. That's how you're going to live! 10:53 That's why a lot of them got sick and got HIV, unfortunately. And if you look at them, it's just like, you know, I don't want a bad name and mention people's names, but Sabayazi, you know, that have died that were, we knew that they were indulging in drugs. It's a huge problem. Well, it's a small problem considering that it doesn't get up. 11:09 Yeah. 11:10 but yours still gets up, because you got like 10 babies, right? 11:13 I'm an eight boy. Eight boys. 11:14 Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, 11:34 Do you want to tell them the fresh and bad food tea story? 11:36 It was back then, bro. It was back then. I think it was our first when they did that Mafeking thing, right? 11:53 It's the 60s, right? The 60s, yeah. So OOTJ Sox wanted to bring the 60s to Durban. He was like, I know 60s have been doing very well in Mafeking, whatever. So we do this huge drive now on YFAM back in the days. Hey, 60s comes to Durban. Okay, 60s comes to Durban. Because I mean, fresh introduced Durban's finest to Gauteng. And you know, Sox and Tierra will owe their lives so fresh. 12:13 You know what I mean? 12:13 Yes, yes. So anyway, we say we're going to do this huge party out in KZN. We're bringing the 60s to KZN, right? Road trip. Road trip. No, no, no, my man. We did it first back, back, back, back then. You know what I mean? And once again, I'll say, those are back in the days. Those were my young days, you know. 12:37 I'm like, oh, okay, who are they? Sharp. Sharp. 12:41 50 Pills of Ecstasy. 50 Pills of MDNA. Let's go. MDNA. Yeah, MDNA. What's that? 13:07 So we all go, obviously pump this up for maybe about two, three weeks. And we're like, we're going to go meet at some filling station. I think Heidelberg or Framp, whatever. That first sort of... On the N3. Yeah, yeah, yeah. After Heidelberg, yeah. We all meet there and we're like, oh no, let's go, let's go, let's go, right? So... me i've got my stash i'm not worried i'm like hey how's everyone i'm so happy right so no so we get them and everybody's like okay fine we're going to take off from here right very next stop getting drinks filling up um cooler bags everyone is now there right i said fresh ukraine boy but you're nice man you know i'm nice come here give him give bad boy tea oh And you weren't wired this time around, you also worked there. 13:53 Yeah, we're colleagues, we're colleagues. Next up, we stopped at every filling station. You know how convoys are, right? Every filling station, people want to stop. They want to, you know, top up ice, whatever. People want to, we get there. 14:09 And French like, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man. 14:15 He can't drive. He can't drive. Oh, he was driving. He was driving, dog. He gives the fucking car to Puma Boy. Puma Boy's like, what did you do to Fritz? Took fun of you to kill Fritz. He's like... 14:33 He's like sitting in the back seat. He's sitting in front, but his whole body's in the back seat. 14:39 He's just like... 14:41 I don't know what time we got to Durban. I don't know what happened. Bad Boy 2 on the other side gave his car away. Went to his car, moving her car. He's like, no, take my car, talk to me. I'm going with this girl. He's like, fuck him. I promise you, if Vienna was available, he was probably going to be sitting and looking that way, and the road was going that way. No, no, no, no. 15:01 Wow. That's why I'm like, you know, whatever's happened in our youth during our time, thank God there was no social media. 15:13 And that generation, that sort of generation that came from YFM back then, all of them have become incredible human beings in their own respects. 15:22 The shit that we used to do. 15:25 I'm sure we could have, we should be in jail. You know, I promise you we should be in jail or in rehab or, you know, unfortunately for some of those that didn't make it, they are dead because we lived life on the edge. Because the freedom of just being, you know, doors opening to South Africa, fashion, music, you know, Kwaito, TKZ, Boomshaka. I mean, I was there the day that Lemumatassa passed away. We were partying like rock stars. Whoa. 15:53 And Lebu's like, you know, I think we're going to go to the second location. This is, in fact, Bondo Ntuli's birthday. Bondo. Oh, Bondo. Yeah, he'd just become the manager at YFM. It was his birthday. We're in some park out there. And I'd never seen Lebu Matosa that happy. You know what I mean? She's like, he was hugging everyone, et cetera, et cetera. In fact, she was dating Chili M's brother. Chili? 16:13 Yes, he was dating Chilean's brother. In fact, he was the one that's driving. Remember, everybody was quite angry at him. And we were like, guys, we're all drinking and driving at that time. She gave him the car. It's not like he went out there and was like, today I want to kill them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we wanted to go to a second location because obviously, you know, parks get dark at night and whatever. they went to go home to go change, and they never made it back. I remember that day. I was like, you know, and it's some of those things that remind us of how far we've come, you know, as people within the industry, as Makrotman in the industry, as some would like to say, because we had to go through that. 16:51 We had to go through that baptism of fire, you know what I mean? It's like sometimes these young ones are in the clouds and they're like... LAUGHTER And then they come on TV like, no, I've never done drugs. 17:10 But even when you've seen them do it, the men are gone, I'm sure. They're playing games, those ones. Oh, they know they're playing games. We went in hard. 17:17 Bro, fuck, we're born in a different generation. Wrong generation. Oh my goodness. 17:26 Chili M's dealer used to come deliver at YFM in the studio. Chili M told those stories. Chili told those stories. You know what I mean? So that genre, it was unbelievable. I mean, I remember when Chili Fresh and all of them left, right? There was a place called Malasha out in Randberg. It was a strip club. Yeah, the strip club. 17:41 Chili was known for it. 17:43 The last... day of all of them leaving, or we went out, partied, went to Malasha, brought Malasha into the studio. There were girls dancing on, like, news, what, what, hey, McFund, Malili, Joburg is at a high of 31, fuck off, let's go, you know what I mean? 18:02 You know what I mean? It was a mess, mess, mess, mess, mess. You know what I mean? It was crazy. It was crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. Oh man, I'm so jealous. 18:14 What do you mean jealous? Weren't you part of this? 18:18 No, no, no. 18:19 I came after, bro. 18:20 Yeah, yeah. 18:22 I came after, bro. 18:23 You can't even start on condoms, you know. 18:26 Yeah, condoms. 18:27 No more shots. 18:28 They didn't have an ominous problem, you know. Don't do coke, that's why. Because condoms are a good idea. They're only on the coke. No, condoms are a good idea. Let's don't get sick. Oh, fucking hell. 18:41 Oh, bro. Anyway, man, what a time. It was crazy. It was crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. 18:44 Anyway, so I'm reading the news the other day, right? And I bumped across this article. Fucking interesting. I don't know. There's a medical condition. It's called PGAD. Do you guys know about it? 18:55 PGAD. Yeah. 18:56 It is persistent genital arousal disorder. 19:00 Wow! 19:01 That sounds exciting though. 19:03 Bro. 19:03 It's like you're always getting erections. 19:05 Yes. So essentially it's like it basically means you can't stop nutting. 19:12 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't stop nutting. But you gotta be hard to nut or you just nut even when you're soft. 19:19 So even when you're soft, can you give me the scientific description? That's not nice. But it's got crazy triggers like it's called micro vibrations. So you can be triggered by just riding a bus. 19:31 Oh, just your dickhead rubbing against your tracksuit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like you don't wear jeans when you got that shit on. 19:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 19:43 You gotta have a cap on your head to just stop it from being aroused. It only goes to the limits. 19:48 Ha, ha, ha. 19:52 Oh, like when you sit on a washing machine, you know when it does the thing, oh, then you start cumming. Wait, man, you sit on your washing machine? No, no, I'm just saying, like, you know the vibration the washing machine makes? Yeah, yeah, but you said when you sit on it. Yeah, like she said, you sit on it, on top of it. No! Wait, man, wait, man. 20:07 I don't know the feeling of a washing machine under my balls. P.G.A.D. 20:17 No, I think it's women. It works for women sitting on top of a washing machine. Yeah, it's mostly for women. 20:22 Women sitting on a washing machine? Yeah, the vibration, obviously. 20:26 Well, women arouse themselves and masturbate from a washing machine. 20:30 Not that women, but the vibration, if you'd want to. The vibration, the movement. Guess what it does? 20:37 When it washes or when it spins? When it's spinning or when it's... I've not tried it, but I can imagine it will work. That's... Because it's a different... Then there's a... That's the washing water. 20:49 I think it depends also what you're looking for. When you come back from work, you're like, oh, normal spin. 20:54 Exactly. It just depends. Hey! 21:11 Don't wash the washing machine! You had sex on top of a washing machine. Like, so your woman would sit, and then the guy stands, and obviously the vibration would... Wow! 21:24 I had a sex toy I didn't even know was there. 21:27 All this time. 21:29 Oh shit. Listen to this. I want to spin a world around. 21:33 Maybe that's how DJ Kent came with the song. If I will spin, if I will spin, if I will spin. Rapid spin, 15 minutes. Daily spin. 21:48 I'll never hear that song the same again. It's splitting my world around. So listen to this, right? The longest documented case of uncontrollable arousal involved a woman in her 30s who experienced over 500 orgasms in a single 24-hour period. 22:05 500 orgasms. 22:08 That's torture. That sounds like torture now. That's torture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like, yeah. It stops doing fun at some point. No, exactly. But wait, is she not... At what point? Oh, 100 cup of food. That depends on your appetite. That one depends on you, you see. Depends on your spin cycle. That depends on your spin cycle. Your spin cycle. 22:25 That one, I hate this individual. That one. 22:30 Wait, so... She's just... 22:32 Wait, is she inducing these orgasms? Is somebody inducing them or is it just happening? No, it's micro-vibrations. So it could be anything, bro. Oh, but there's vibrations. 22:40 Yeah. Someone, yeah, an inducement was done. 22:45 So like riding a bus, when the bus vibrates for whatever reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or riding a horse. Yeah, then you orgasm. You know what I mean? 500 in a day. Can you tell us the... Lucky the boozy. Dudu. 22:58 Yeah. 23:00 So PGAD is a rare condition. It's caused by spontaneous, unwanted, and uncontrollable sensations of genital arousal. So the key symptoms are unwanted genital swelling or continuous erection. 23:21 A constant sensation of being on the verge of an orgasm without resolution. 23:27 Oh, that's torture. Pelvic, clitoral or penile discomfort, pain or arching. And then multiple orgasms occurring over hours or days, right? And then... 23:40 The primary causes, right, it is nerve irritation. So there's damage or compression to the pelvic or puddle nerves. I mean, the spinal issues where you have conditions like herniated discs or spinal cord, whatever. And then there's vascular abnormalities and then there's other medical effects that, you know... And it mostly happens with women, right? Yeah. Yes. 24:11 Mainly with women. Because, I mean, imagine if men suffered from this, bro. The world would collapse, bro. 24:16 Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. 24:18 It wouldn't work, bro. 24:19 I'm just catching a bus. I'll see you now. You're almost busting a nut. No, you're almost busting a nut. 24:30 So it's a good thing it only happens to women. Because I know sometimes when you guys cross your legs, you guys can get really excited fast fast. 24:40 It doesn't take much. It really doesn't take much. But I can imagine a person who suffers from that will also need an oxygen tank all the time. Can you imagine? Already when you cum, it kind of takes your breath away. So you are literally just gasping for air all the time. 24:56 What's sex like when you're on these drugs? 24:59 It depends. I think, you know, it always depends. And even if you speak to sort of medical practitioners and that sort of stuff, it depends on what it is. So probably, you know, it's very lame. It's because the thing of like, you've been high and whatever, nothing works and then whatever. Ecstasy, every single part of your body feels like an orgasm. I promise you, it is probably unbelievable. And also weed. So depending on what it is that you've taken, it heightens the sensation. And what I love about what science has done as well is that they've sort of demystified a lot of the stuff. 25:31 You know what I mean? I mean, Elon Musk, for example, he survives on cat. He takes ketamine. It's medically... He gets a medical script from his doctor to take ketamine because that's what keeps him up, that's what keeps him alive and working. You know what I mean? So they've sort of like... The Nazis, they were all on what? They were all on what? I think morphine or something. Not morphine, that's normally for pain. But there's certain drugs that they used to take. It was a heavy one. Whoa, Nazis were on drugs? Hitler kept them on drugs? 26:02 I think they were on ecstasy so that they wouldn't be depressed from what they saw. And what they did. What they did. So they gave them happy drugs, you know what I mean? 26:12 Can you check what the Nazis were on? You know what I mean? So it just... Look, a lot of these things have been sort of demystified and declassified as well. Because before it was just... It's like now. People can smoke weed and we don't look at them and judge them as much. But they've done that as well with various other ones as well. So the world is a different place. I mean, you could be sitting with someone... 26:36 but it's just we like that presentation you guys are doing great at the network can't you it's high as a kite so if my woman is waiting for me at home today what's the go-to you would recommend the go-to yeah I would say a nice spliff and a nice blunt dog nice blunt you know you know Just laughing and happy. Blunt will definitely do that. And do you feel like every thrust, every action you feel is slow-mo? Yeah, man. It's a movie. It's a blue movie, Lily. 27:03 And what about edibles? Like, do they give you? Because it's all like... 27:08 THC, but does it give you the same high or that feeling if you're smoking versus if you're eating it? 27:15 I would like, intervals are only nicer the day after, because on the day that you do take them, you're like, oh my God, what's going on? The day afterwards, you're calm, you're relaxed. It was light. But on the day, you're like, oh my god, what's going on? I'm thinking of... 27:40 I love you so much. 27:45 Yeah, but the day afterwards, you're like, okay. 27:47 What's happening in the weed business, bro? Because I hear it's like big business right now, bro. 27:50 It's big business. I mean, this is, you know, it's probably... When they speak about the green economy, they speak about electric mobility, and then they speak about cannabis. And cannabis, for me, is probably one of the biggest industries that has yet to come out, not only South Africa, but the rest of Africa, right? Because... you speak about cannabinoids, you speak about THC, and all of the sort of properties that these things have. You know what I mean? I mean, there were people even during COVID that were like, no, no, no. Boil a little bit of weed, drink it, that's it. You will not catch COVID. You know what I mean? So all of these sort of like little herbal medicines that came out. 28:22 But there are people, and that's the thing for me that worries me, Mac, is that you know, as black people, we're always at the end of this line, right? White people are in production. I understand that they're creating lights so that they can grow better. These people that are creating fertilizer just so that these plants can come out and whatever. And the sort of pharmaceutical, I mean, I interviewed Prof Debian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. on the podcast. Yeah, I remember that guy, yeah. And Prof Dabir will tell you straight up that there is not a disease that marijuana that probably can't cure. Cancer, treatment of HIV, lebanda, one of the things that people have here. 28:57 Shingles. Shingles, yeah. Shingles. There isn't a disease that marijuana cannot cure. And that's why big pharma will not allow for it to succeed. They won't allow for it. But that's the time when to get in. Because you know when everybody's like, oh, no, no, this is not the right one. Then all of a sudden, once big pharma's starting to make money, it's like, no, no, this is the right one. 29:15 even the messaging the marketing the messaging the marketing so this is the time to get into it i understand i mean you've got the eastern cape which is probably the biggest growers in our country um and then you've got lesoto as well a lot of the weed comes from there and and what have you but i'm telling you once we we start this sort of revolution and away from because you remember pharmaceuticals don't want to cure you what if they cure you you're not coming back yeah they're out of business they're out of business they're losing a customer You know what I mean? Whereas if you now start taking these sort of herbal medicines, I mean, look at the Chinese herbal medicines are the biggest in the world. 29:47 Probably there's someone that drinks green tea every day because they believe that. You know, they've created an entire industry around it. I mean, I wake up in the morning and I have like a little pill that comes from Prof De Beer, which has got cannabinoids. And I drink my tea at night. Best sleep in the world that you'll have. You wake up, you're calm. Anxiety is gone. You're like, you're almost like in this plane where you're able to function like a normal human being without anxiety. Because, you know, somebody... Whoa, man. Somebody said something very amazing to me, right? I need that. Where... 30:18 In South Africa, right? And I'm going to try and make this as short as possible. You wake up in the morning. What's the first thing you do? You look, okay, is my partner okay? Are the kids okay? Windows are not broken. Nobody's broken into my house. Okay, now shop. Everything's fine. 30:32 During one film days, you wake up being like, where am I? 30:34 Where am I? 30:35 Who is this? Who is this? It's my dick strapped up. 30:43 Well, I understand. 30:45 But if you look at the level of anxiety that we operate from in South Africa, it is unreal, guys. We've got burglar bars. We've got an alarm system. We've got cameras. And, you know, once you finish washing, you get into the car. How bula garaj? You're hoping that nobody's just like... 31:02 So the garage opens, you pull your car out, right? You're now in the yard. You want the garage to close. You open the gate, you're checking what's happening. 31:15 You know, get out the gate. Gate closes. Dogs are still fine. They're alive. They haven't poisoned them. Do you understand what I mean? And every neighborhood, that's how every single day, you get to the robots. It's like you're watching Wimbledon. Nobody's going to come and fucking smash my window, try to take my phone or whatever. That's the level of anxiety that we live with every single day in South Africa. So imagine how highly strung people are. That's why people are like, hey, you bumped them or something like that. They take out guns and they start shooting at each other. 31:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Road rage is getting hectic, man. Do you understand what I mean? 31:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So things like those sort of cannabis and these medicinal things help to calm you. They calm you sharper. Oh, road rage. Okay, that's fine. 31:58 You know, you get onto the highway and you go about your day. But there's people that are highly strung, that are constantly living like that. And big pharma will always give you Ritalin and this, anti-anxiety, what, what. Ashakonda. Oh, that's big now. Ashakonda, it's trending now, that thing. It's big. 32:16 What is that? 32:17 Is that a pill? It's like a pill or whatever. It's like a pill where it comes people and they're like... 32:21 which is a danger because you also still have to be human whereas with marijuana you're still able to function as a normal human being yeah of course get away from the pills guys come to the green side and i'm hoping mac because i spoke to even prof because prof is like guys you're the only network that are free you guys do whatever the hell you want i want to i want to be a part of this because i think this is something that can save south africa that can help south africans He was even telling me about a staff member of his was able to almost like reduce their CD4 count just by taking the pill every day. 32:55 Now you can't say you're going to stop AIDS. No, that's not what he's saying. But if your CD4 count is reducing, it means you're becoming a better human being as a result of it. You know what I mean? So we've got to get into it. 33:13 What's the value chain like? So you've got the grower. So you've got the grower, right? You've got the people that physically can in their backyard grow, right? You've got the people that are then going to pick it, take out what they call the flowers, right? From the flowers that can then go to market for people that want to smoke. There's guys that can make the oils, the CBD oils. There's guys that can then go out and make hemp because you can also make hemp. In fact, Mercedes and BMW are the only vehicles that actually make their seats out of hemp. It's not really leather. I understand. So there's a value chain. Wow! Yeah, man. Of so many products. 33:44 Balms, things that we know from injuries. In fact, that shingles, you take the pill and you also rub that balm of his. It removes it within two to three days. People that have got cancer. 33:55 In fact, I know from a family member. A family member. My partner's family member came out and said that... 34:00 We started giving them the tea and the pills and all their pain was gone from prostate cancer. Gone, prostate cancer. And we know how many people are now suffering from cancer and the pain that they go through as a result of that. My man, that value chain is massive. As black people, this is probably outside of the taxi industry, this is probably the only other industry that we can get in, be involved in and be active and start trading millionaires from because that is the green frontier. And in other countries, it's really booming. It's booming. I mean, you look at the Nordic countries, booming. 34:33 You look at even the US, especially California and whatever. Massive, massive. In fact, Mike Tyson that you're speaking to, remember, he's got Mike Tyson edibles. He's got the weed. Mike Tyson, bro. 34:41 When I'm in Cape Town, I buy my weed from Tyson, his shop. You know Mike Tyson's got a weed shop in Cape Town? No way. 34:47 You don't know Mike Tyson's got a weed shop in Cape Town? No way. 34:49 Bro, Mike Tyson's got a weed shop in Cape Town, bro. Yeah, when I'm in Cape Town, that's where I buy my weed. That's a bloody expensive. But at the Mike Tyson weed shop, bro. They know me there. That shit will knock you out, though. Try it, bro. Try it, bro. 35:05 Yeah, Mark Tyson's got shops all over the world in Cape Town. He's got a shop. That's how big it is. 35:10 Are you sold at this? Yeah, no, I love my edibles. So, yeah. You just motivated me to continue because I was on an edible break. 35:19 Let's get into the business, man. 35:20 I'm scared, guys. I'm scared, man. I like to be in control all the time. Yeah, weed and stuff, yeah. 35:27 I don't like... When you ended up in deep slow. While controlling... If anything, you need it. You need it. To control this car. You need it. 35:33 To control this car to deep slow to the tavern, deep in the tavern. You're in control. 35:41 No, but look, I mean, with all of these things, it's just about being responsible. You know what I mean? It's definitely about being responsible. Yeah, please, man. And the medicinal stuff, the medicinal stuff, it's purely for that because they don't then put THC, which is normally what makes you high, right? Okay. So they remove a lot of that. Wow. You know, you still get a bit of a... You know, but it's not at the height of going out there smoking a drink. You come back here, you're like, I'm a bitch in a grand. 36:04 Yeah. 36:12 McFarlane, you're so right though, because all these cannabis shops are in every shopping center, malls, everywhere. 36:22 To show you how big it is, there are more cannabis shops in this country than ShopRite. Pick and pay, checkers, and spa. And those are legacy, like, businesses who've been around for, like, decades. So can you imagine? Can you imagine? And just think of the mats, right? There's more of those stores. Maybe let's say there was about 1,400 of those stores, right? Bigger than any retailer that you know in this country. And you go in there, and if you buy edibles or whatever, let's say, for example, on an ordinary day, you're buying for 100 bucks. Mm-hmm. Right? Whether it's a joint, whether you're buying dry and you're going to go do for yourself, whether you're buying the Rizzler or the Crusher or whatever. 36:57 Or pre-roll, which could be like 150. Do you understand? A pre-roll, which is about 150. On average, right? On average, it's about, yeah. 37:02 You can get to 400. 37:03 The pre-roll. Look at that economy. 37:05 Doesn't Teco have one? 37:08 Teco. 37:09 Yeah. I think he's got a store, yeah. He's got a store, too. Well, you know, Tony Smalls, he was in it before. 37:15 The business of liquor... Yeah, he had a store. 37:19 Of weed, yeah, yeah. It's massive. It's massive. It's massive. And as I'm saying, we all speak about the greatness of pick-and-paycheckers and what have you. Think about these stores now. Imagine what that would do through the economy, especially for people like you're sitting, you've got a patch of land, grow, supply a store. You understand what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of those things and those businesses that we need to get in now. We don't need to get to a point where it's now controlled. They put systems in. 37:44 and Oogogo that's got land. I mean, I look at someone like DJ C-Live, right? C-Live has got land. A lot of the guys, especially that come from the homelands, you know what I mean? You've got an acre of land that you can use to grow. Plus, you've got some land there, family land. Let's become millionaires. You're playing here. I think you woke up. 38:09 Imagine me trying to convince my aunts, because they're all like, we've got a big six in my family, and they all like, run the family and everything. 38:20 A big six is like the cartelier bouquet matas. 38:22 Yeah. So it's the six grown-ups. 38:25 Imagine trying to pitch, let me grow weed, dog. Maté, who wants? 38:32 No, bro, it's money. 38:33 I mean, business or what? Yeah, bro, they're running a church. Are you running a church? Are you running a business? You want money or what, man? It's money, bro. 38:41 But you should also land easy, because I can't really speak Venda Suri Mateguan. 38:49 I saw you nodding the whole time. You stopped weed. Why did you stop if you keep nodding? 39:10 Because he stopped. 39:11 And these guys were heavy, bro. 39:12 How many choices? They used to have like five, six during the show. Yeah, they were like crazy smokers, man. During the show, just before the episode starts. 39:22 Look, I think I stopped because I wasn't even an avid smoker like that, you see. So I was just occasionally smoking. So I just stopped. But I agree with all the, you know, the direction that cannabis is, you know, especially when it comes to health of people. Yeah, I agree with that. 39:39 That's crazy, man. Anyway, Ghost Lady, where'd she go out for us? 39:44 Mick Fallon, did you see the interview with Nontle Tema? She did it with Tando Tabete. 39:50 Oh, Nontle Tema, the one that introduced us to Twitter? 39:52 Yes. 39:52 I think that's where he's going. 39:56 I saw like clips of the clip. 39:58 Backlash. That's what she said. 40:00 She's got backlash. 40:01 So obviously people are mocking the fact that like who starts Twitter, you know, but the honesty is that if you don't know who Tandu, no, sorry, not Tandu, I mean Anonle Tema is, then you will not understand the backstory. 40:12 The original rage baiter. 40:14 Yes, yes, yes. 40:16 But also... Can you pick up some of her tweets, please, from back in the days when she was rocking everywhere? Yo, yo. 40:22 Like, she brought Twitter. 40:23 YFM, she wrote for YFM. If you wrote for YFM, I'll kill you. 40:31 We say a fucking lot today, YFM. And then you all, all of you. And then, there was a time when we were at Y. Yes, yes. 40:39 No, no, no. So, and also another thing, it was how Tando, like, responded to that. That's why she also got the backlash. Like, don't you know, like, how great this girl is and where, like, her history and what she started and what she pioneered. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's be honest. Don't let Tama literally did a lot. No, she was the it girl. She was the it girl. She pioneered that, bro. 40:57 She pioneered that. Yeah. The eight girls, the homo-nangs, boy-tis, everybody that followed was like the sort of a template they were following. 41:04 It's a blueprint to be a slay queen. 41:06 Like she started this sort of... Not a slay queen, but a talented girl in the industry making waves. 41:12 Because slay queens... 41:14 depend on their bums to get ahead. Those are two different things. 41:18 The blueprint to being an it girl within the industry. 41:21 Yes, the brands, the whatever, Nivea's on board. 41:27 It was Duck and Lovely. 41:28 Duck and Lovely. Yes, she was on Duck and Lovely Pax, man. 41:32 I remember. So here's my thing, right? Because Nonte's generation, as much as she's a bit younger than all of us, more freshly, more minded, whatever, we saw her growing up in the industry, right? We saw her star and rising and shining. And I think, you know, as amazing as she is and all the wonderful things that she's done, you must… And that's always been for me that you're only as great as your last show. 41:56 Respect the craft. respect the mic and respect the camera. It's much bigger than you. It's way bigger than you. And unfortunately, and the saddest thing about our industry is that there's no longevity for girls within our industry unless you really work hard. For my cheetah, we can probably get away with it. I mean, I've been reading news since 19-whatever. I've been in the industry since 1999 to 2000 because I'm doing news, I'm doing serious stuff. Unfortunately, with a lot of our girls is that, you know, you've got to look hard, you've got to be pretty. There's always going to be a prettier And sometimes you're going to be a mom. 42:29 Sometimes you're going to be a mom. You understand what I mean? And then people move and go with where the sort of wind is blowing. You know what I mean? And for me, staying relevant is very, very important. But what's next? So what did she do after that? What did she do after that? How do you go back and reinvent yourself, right? And it's very difficult if... all you've been is about looks and being the it girl. What industries have you built? What companies have you built? What have you started? What businesses do you have? Because, you know, people have this thing about us, about people that are within the media. 43:05 They see the glitz and glam, they see this, but they don't think about the fact that we've got to get into meetings. We've got to be speaking to advertising agencies. I mean, for you to be where you are, and big shout out, my boy, because... You've really, really done an incredible job. You've also created the roadmap in terms of what to do in the sort of podcasting space, right? Definitely, yeah. 43:23 So how do you create longevity for yourself? Sometimes it might lead you to deep knoof mara. The map is there. 43:27 The map is there. But the map is there. Once in a while, yeah. Once in a while, you've got to keep going to a cabin. 43:37 So for me, I'm also saying that's a smart move by her because if you'd forgotten and didn't know who Nante Temer was, Now you know because of what she did on that interview. 43:45 But I want to go back to what you're saying, right? So then, in the same breath, right, I want you to highlight the guys that have done it well. So, for example, I look at... Who's Date My Family? Who owns that, Konjie? 44:00 Basitana. Basitana, right? 44:02 She was a prom queen. Date My Family, perfect wedding. She did TV, whatever. And then now she's like... So that's number one where you're like, okay, shout out, right? Then you look at Anele, she's doing the same thing. She's just bought a legacy production company. Rapid blue. You look at Bonang, who sailed in the sunset, doesn't even care about training anymore because she's still making her money. That's right. So I want you to highlight like some of the people that have, because you're saying Nante, what did she do? 44:33 That's your only criticism. That would be my only criticism. You know, how did you keep that longevity? I mean, you look at the stories that I'm telling, you look at someone like Oskito, right? Oskito just got order of something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ikka Manga. Ikka Manga, right? Fresh is back into radio again. And he's got business interests that we don't know of. He's got other business interests as well, right? Pepsi Pocahane. Pepsi Pocahane were the first Simounier presenters, right? Pepsi's doing Pepsi. 45:03 Yeah, Pepsi Pocahane. Yeah, I remember Pepsi back in the day. Yeah, I remember Pepsi. Pepsi are the guys that just gave us the polygamous. It was his production. 45:11 Whoa! 45:13 Whoa! Pepsi! His polygamous! Lazy! 45:16 many others. That's his production show that he owns with the Zuma sisters. You understand what I mean? Gang of Instrumentals guy, Manza. Manza. Manza. He does Komora. Nah, that's shows, man. That's many shows. Yeah, that prison one. 45:33 And then their inside equipment as well. He's big on production. He just bought Red Pepper. Whoa! Urban Brew. Oh, even bigger. He bought Urban Brew. Yeah, just bought out Urban Brew. Whoa, that's like, whoa, Urban 45:45 produce OTV and then? 45:46 You understand what I mean? So it's about, you know, number one, respecting your craft, respecting the industry, respecting yourself and seeing beyond that, right? And seeing, okay, at some point in time, podcast and chill is not going to be about you anymore, right? You're going to walk out of here and say, guys, you know, drops my... You're walking out already, man. 46:08 You see it off the show. Yeah. That man's in playroom. He was complaining about cops. 46:13 Remember, I was complaining about cops. You know, these cops, bro, these fucking cops. They used to drink from mugs during the show. 46:21 They were like, mugs? Fuck, fuck the mugs. Why the branded cops? And I was bitching because they weren't branded cops, guys, before we started the show. I was like, what the fuck has happened to you, my nigga? I was like, but girl, what's happened to you, bro? 46:37 I found Tim like downstairs washing cups for me. 46:52 You've got to walk out of here and be like, I've done my job. I've opened up the doors. I've created opportunities. I'm out. And the legacy continues. Because that, for me, that's where the magic lies, right? That's where the magic lies, where you create an opportunity for those that come behind you. I mean, all three of us sitting here, Greg Maloka, our godfather. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You understand what I mean? Greg Maloka's our godfather. Greza. Greza, you know. Greza. I'm here and all of these drug stories that I'm telling you about, I ended up in rehab, right? 47:19 Nobody wanted to touch me in the industry. 47:23 Whoa, bro, you're in rehab! 47:26 You know what? 47:28 Oh, shit. 47:30 It's Kurtz when you end up in rehab. 47:36 So let me tell you the story, right? Some ANC guy likes me, watches ENCA, loves the news, whatever. He's like, oh no, this is my guy in Tana. I want him to come and MC my wedding, right? I MC, I go there. I think, so the wedding was on Saturday, right? Mm-hmm. And I don't know how comrades do their things or whatever. And so I go there, and it's my rock star days, right? Go MC this wedding, right? And you know one of those gigs where you're like, the person that organizes this for you is someone that you trust, but you don't necessarily know the payer. 48:09 Anyway, long story short, client is like, boy, grand, we've eaten. Everything's been great. Gives me 50,000 rand cash. 48:19 Ha! Ha! 48:22 Cash, do it! Cash content, aha! 48:30 Cash! 50 gorillas! Back then. 50 gorillas! 48:34 Back then. What year is this? I'm thinking this is probably 2002, 2002. Wow! 48:39 Yeah, that's the time. I don't know. 48:46 My man. 48:47 Give me 50,000 rand cash. I'm like, this guy doesn't know me. Sharp is like, oh no, you must eat afterwards. I don't have time for a lili lili. 48:59 I've done my job. I've emceed the wedding, reception, what what. Ladies and gentlemen, you may kiss the bride. 49:04 Sharp. 49:05 What? The group. 49:09 And then remember how much 50K is that time? Yeah, it's like 200K. 49:13 Yeah, now, yeah, pretty much. Cash. That's just like, you can go get a call. Yeah. My man, that was the Saturday. 49:21 I woke up on Wednesday at a rehabilitation center. 49:27 Yo, that's the one great thing the NCS did. 49:30 Yo! 49:33 Truck was woke up. 49:38 I woke up on Wednesday. Oh, bro! That thing, like at my house, at home, when I left my wife and kids. 49:47 Strong decisions. 49:49 I'm wearing those sharp pointed shoes. I'm in a vest and I'm wearing like formal pants with lines or be like a tuxedo type thing. I understand. And that was it. I was like, okay. And they asked me, do you want to be here? Because you can't put a person in a rehabilitation center unless they want to be there. Yeah. Otherwise, it's actually illegal. They have to make the decision to say, I want to be here. I want to heal. I want to become better. Yes, yes, yes. I wake up here. What the fuck? 50:17 Next moment, I'm in rehab. Right? Wednesday. So Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, five days later. Right? 50:25 McFarlane. Yes. 50:26 Rockstar McFarlane. 50:28 Five days later, I get up and they're like... 50:34 Do you know where you are? I'm like, who are you? Leave, leave, you know, leave. Do you know where you are? Who are you? No, we had a rehabilitation center, whatever, somewhere in the Mahalisburg shop. 50:45 Do you want to be here? What am I doing here? I understand. No, they tell me this is what's going on, whatever. And they're like, do you want to stay here? I'm like, yes, I want to stay here. Please bring me clothes, stuff to change. And I didn't, I think you did, I did an entire... 50:57 I was, in fact, supposed to have done, like, a 12-week program. I think it's a... I can't remember. I think it's a six-week program or whatever. 51:04 But I was there the entire time. I went straight into it, whatever. Now, I'm walking out of this place. I don't have a job. I've got nothing. Obviously, still trying to show that to the family. Come on, I get it. They've taken everything full. No, you made it. 51:19 I still now need to go home and ask, you know, deep throat. 51:25 I understand. 51:34 You know what I mean? Cause like, now you don't have to come back home and answer that shit. You know what I mean? Rehab, okay? You're drunk free. Now, let's talk a little bit about deep throat. 51:44 I was thinking, you know, Genelly, deep throat is a sauce. You know, like, a deep throat's told us. 51:50 Why do they use that deep throat for a sauce? A deep throat has told us that Saul, it is a sauce. It's an alias. It's an alias. 51:59 Now you're having to go back and answer to that, right? 52:03 Be that as it may, I'm like, I'm healing, whatever. 52:05 Oh, my goodness. 52:06 And they're throwing this. And then, okay, I come out and everything's fine. 52:11 Yeah. 52:11 I'm like, shit, Spani. Dog. Dog. 52:15 Luckily, Greg found out about it because he's obviously like, why isn't this guy coming to work? 52:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's AWOL. Where's he gone? He's AWOL, whatever. Eventually, they get a hold of my ex-wife and they're like, what's going on? And she then tells him, no, tells Greg this is what happened or whatever. She's like, Don't worry. You know, it's all good. 52:36 Anyway, by the time I come out, first meeting with Greg, I walk in there, he's like, I don't want to know anything. 52:42 But my band is starting his breakfast show with Cooley Roberts. 52:45 You're going to read the news there. My man, don't fuck around. 52:48 Hey. 52:50 Just like that. 52:50 Just like that. 52:51 End of story. 52:52 So now that's Kaya, but when we went into rehab, who were you working? At Kaya? 52:55 No, I was at Kaya. Oh, different show. 52:57 Yeah, yeah. Oh, you changed jobs basically? Yeah. 53:00 Yeah, I'm thinking, yeah, because I'm thinking, everything he's telling me, I'm thinking it's wild. It sounds like wild days. 53:06 And go Kaya, they were the rock stars also, you know? 53:09 So I come back and he's like, yeah, Bob Mabena's starting this. Bob Mabena's going to be given the breakfast show, whatever. We need a newsreader for it. You're the perfect guy for it. And you know, it's like almost like how, in fact, how teams work, right? 53:22 The guy that is the most disruptive within a team, give him a leadership position, everything changes. Because Akira obviously has got the big mouth. So if that's the case, then give him a leadership position. Everything calms down. But because of WAPAP, he's able to tell guys off immediately. able to get them into line, et cetera, et cetera. And you can imagine, I'm reading my first bulletin is at half past five. You know, the time I used to, most of the time, the time I used to come home, Now I've got to be at work. In the morning, yeah. 53:48 To read headlines at half past five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 53:50 Because the first bulletin comes out at six o'clock. You know what I mean? So, like, Greg Griza, I owe my entire life to him. Because had he not done that, I don't know where I would have ended up. He stretched into you. Because it's also that thing, now you come out of this place, you don't know what to do, you might end up back in the streets again. You might end up back into shit, or you get so depressed that you're not getting work, you're not getting this, and you end up being depressed. and now you either take your life or you end up in the streets. So Greg was like, take him, gave me a position of responsibility, and I've never looked back. 54:24 I've never, ever, ever looked back. And so I, you know, owed to Greg Maloka, he actually saved my life. 54:31 And it kind of reminds me of what we're doing with the new era on the network, because it's like, if you look at the lineup, it's just second chances. Yeah. Yeah. 54:46 What the fuck is wrong with this guy? Yeah, it kind of reminds you, sorry, man. 54:52 It kind of reminds you of the day. That's Wife was the place of second chances. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yes, sir. It's fucking hell. 55:00 I mean, even this guy, remember, they kicked him out the radio and he gave him a second chance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 55:04 We gave him a second chance. Did it say we? Did it say we? Did it say we? I ain't no we. Did it say we? Now he gave him a second chance. The man! The man! 55:19 He asked me, hey, what about you? I grew up listening to you. It's amazing. But bro, on the real, grew up listening to you on the radio. You sound pristine. 55:31 Amazing, coherent, well articulate. I could never think that you were going through all of that behind the scenes. Of course. Because you were like, when I heard you, I heard discipline. Funny enough. And maybe it's the, but you were so good at your work. 55:45 Even the times with DJ Swoo, like you were the well-spoken guy. But remember... 55:52 And it's wrong for me to probably say it's the facade that we put on, right? 55:56 And I'm saying it again. When this mic goes on, when that camera rolls, right? Because be that as it may, the only reason that I've probably been lucky enough to have the longevity within the industry is because I've always respected the craft. 56:12 Something you said earlier. 56:13 We used to go to, there was a place called... 56:16 Ah, where was it? It was where the exclusive cars used to be. It was owned by... Chemeli? No, no, not Chemeli. Hereby, in Randberg, right? In Randberg, there used to be a club... No, there's an exclusive parking there in Chemeli. Yeah, there used to be exclusive... 56:29 In Chemeli, you can't park your Polo, hey! You can't go to Chemeli and pack your Polo or your Kia there. Except for my Kia, of course. It unlocks the doors that are closed. 56:39 That's why it's a finish off. 56:43 So there was a place. 56:45 I can't remember what this place is called. But it was owned by Oskido and the whole Kalawa Jasmine thing and whatever, right? Oh, Zambezi. No, not Zambezi. It was in Randberg. Kalabash. Not Kalabash. There's another one, man. I can't remember the name. But it was there in Randberg, right by the corner. Just after Multi-Choice, right by the corner. And it used to rock every Sunday. In fact, that's where... Kalabash. That's what's Kalabash. It ended up being called Calabash. On Republic. Yeah, so it was Calabash. There was a name, it had a name before it was Calabash. 57:21 Oh, I see. There's a cluckman name. If you check here, these are grey. They might be black, but these are grey. 57:34 Right? So before... Because Kanye is the one who sings with Jezebel. Hey, hey. Oh, is it? Yeah. 57:41 She was on the streets during that era, yeah. She was the professor in the streets. All the students, she had students. She was the professor. 57:50 She had students. So anyway, so we... 57:55 I could leave that place with Fresh because Fresh used to play there and whatever. I could leave that place with Fresh at about five o'clock. We're at YFM by half past five, about quarter past five because it's just down the road. I get my bulletin from whoever's doing the morning handover, get my morning handover. 58:12 Fresh used to literally go, this is YFM News. And then go knock on the window and I'd wake up and I'd do the headline. And we'd do that at half past five, at six o'clock, at six thirty, at seven, right up until nine o'clock when the show ended and then I'd go home and sleep. And nobody would know. Except for the times. We were listening. Once in a while, people would be like, because then my voice is gone. 58:39 Okay. 58:41 I've been too hard, right? And that happened maybe once or twice in my entire career. But like, I was at Mafikeng at the 60s, whatever, partying the whole weekend when I get back. In fact, it happened once at Mafikeng at the 60s and then Opikopi. You don't want to party with white people, right? Because you know Opikopi, like as you leave, there's ambulances. I went once to Opikopi and those are the two times where I lost my voice and I couldn't do my work. I've always, always, always showed up. 59:08 Yeah, and this generation doesn't respect the craft, bro. It's bigger than all of us, bro. 59:12 Yeah, man. I think it's because... And it's what puts you on. Yeah. So, if you don't want to respect the craft for the craft itself, respect what gives you the name. 59:21 Yeah. 59:21 That you brag about and go on about. You're giving... It's not because... You're giving... It's not because... You're giving... 59:30 It's not because... You're giving... 59:33 It's not because... 59:38 I'm like, oh, bro, you're giving me some corners, man. Yeah, but just respect what gives you the name you're bragging about. 59:45 But do you not think it's because right now it's very self-centered in terms of it's just you and the camera and then you get all these followers and all this money. 59:51 There's no Craig that needs to give you a job that you're beholden to. There's no... Hand over from Khrutmans to say this is how we do it. A lot of things are gone now. It's... 60:02 I made myself. 60:04 Yes. 60:05 Yet you're still performing a craft. And people gravitate towards you due to how well you do it. But people mistaken that to me. It's that thing. Gravity towards me. No, it's how well you do a thing that you're doing well. 60:23 One person used to do a thing, which is why we started talking about this. Can you read the tweets, right? What a segue. 60:32 No, bro. 60:33 One hour. One hour. One hour segue. 60:36 Thank you, man. Cut Blanche. We had like six ads already, no? Listen. 60:41 Yeah, with no almost latest fucking rebrand. Over turn, retard, super blue, super economic, super green. 60:50 So these are some of the tweets from Northern Timber back in the days. What year is this, man? Most peeps hate on me because I'm rich. 60:58 and i'm great keep hating i understand you wish you had my cash beauty and brains but shame it'll never happen once here's another one here's another one once a tv presenter here in sa makes more than five million then i will say it's okay to compare me until then it's an insult this is 61:19 Back in the days, guys. And knows that she was targeting probably way more than five million now. Because I feel like it was a Bonang target because she said something about YFM and she was there then. Think about it. You work for YFM, I employed you. And Bonang was the one counting for her. 61:32 Yes. 61:33 So I feel like it was a Bonang dish. 61:35 It was the Bonang Nontle fight during this time. 61:38 Yeah, it was a Bonang dish, though. Here's another one. And I don't rent. I own properties. So please, don't ever compare me to Bonang, Mini, Dineo, or Terry. Never! 61:50 Don't even Terry got dragged in! 61:55 And if a presenter is renting their house, please don't you dare compare me to them. Mine is two million rands. Boom. Boom. 62:03 Two million rent today is nothing, bro. 62:05 If their house is not worth two million, please don't compare me to that TV presenter. It's insulting. Until a TV host has millions and has lived in America for seven years and has been on TV ads in America and the rest of the world. You can't compare me. Never. 62:22 When I attempted America, I don't think it failed. 62:24 Come on. 62:25 When was the start of Twitter? Discover Twitter. Okay. 62:33 How? No, stop it. 62:36 Play nicely. 62:38 Wasn't this around the 2010s? 62:39 Yeah, that's what it's around then. I think you know what happened? Twitter is a very toxic space. And it's always been where people just tell you shit from behind. A keyboard warrior's money. Yeah, from a close identity, not knowing. So she, in the recent interview, said she introduced her to Twitter. The problem, I think this was now, she was on Twitter early. People were shitting on her. 63:05 Yeah. 63:05 And she was simply, because everything she mentioned was facts. 63:08 Yeah. 63:09 Maybe she had bought a house, maybe cash over 2 million at the time, which is today, maybe it's a full 5 million rent home. And I think that Twitter shit that people still complain about, the reason that she's not on Twitter today, was what she was now trying to tell people on Twitter. Like, yo, I've done these things. And if you look at the stuff she mentioned, she didn't lie. She was the first to do all those things that she said she did. 63:35 Was she not part of the problem though? The trolling behaviour that we see on Twitter? 63:40 She started this kind of behavior. 63:42 She didn't. She fell for the trap of responding. 63:45 People will talk to you like you're nothing on Twitter. 63:48 They'll talk to you like you're a piece of shit. And you're like, oh, dude, you talk to me, bro. You're like, hey, bro. I know we talk about Ronaldo Missy, but you're always talking to me. And who are you? 64:00 And sometimes you can fall into the trap of going, you've never done shit, you know what I mean? I don't even know who you are, you're hiding. And she fell for that, but at a big scale. And she was calling out people. 64:14 Another person who did is when you went live. 64:20 Black coffee is also like clap back at times and it's like, it's a good clap back, but dog, you said it. You're black coffee, you are in, dude, you're living the best lives in the world. Ah, me, I'll mention black coffee, I'll refer to. She's like, I'll become an alcoholic. I know this nigga gonna pay my rehab bills, you know? It's gonna be there, like, you're gonna cook more. But nah, bro. But people... You did it. Don't care about these people because you leave a stain. 64:51 Like, Nongatema, one of the biggest stains was that whole rant of hers on social media. As valid as it was, she said some dumb things as well. Like, she owns YFM and stuff. But it was due to the... 65:03 called Mini a drunk. There was just a lot of things. Mini a drunk! Yeah, she was very insulted. 65:10 And maybe to bring some sobriety to the conversation as well. That's crazy, because some of them are still renting. Some are still renting, right? 65:17 But, you know, I once interviewed Miriam Makeba. Miriam Makeba, Mama Miriam Makeba. 65:25 Yes. Because maybe... 65:30 Sorry, sorry, sorry. 65:34 Yeah, sorry, McFarlane. 65:40 It's messy, huh? I remember speaking to Umamire Makeba, I think at that time I was working for SABC Africa. And, you know, the star that she was. And there were people that also spoke cuck about her and things like that. And she said to me, you know, my son, never worry about what people say. Never care what people say because whatever they say, they've said it. You can't change what they've said. 66:11 But don't give it energy. Don't give it life. Don't respond. A story will die its natural death. Do you understand what I mean? People have spoken shit about me. People have spoken shit about people I know and whatever. Okay, you've said it. Great. 66:24 Yeah. 66:26 Now what? 66:27 That's it. The minute you respond, you give it life. You've now made that person relevant. And it's probably some... 66:34 Idiot that you don't know. 66:35 Stress and defect. 66:36 Stress and defect. And I've seen it, Sol. And I've seen it for you. And for me, I've got a massive amount of respect for you because people have spoken. Oh, no, Sol, he'll always be under fucking MACG's shadow. Guys, it's not about that. Do you understand what I mean? People don't always talk shit, my boy. You get that a lot of times. I've seen it on your tablet. Whatever, you know what I mean? Never ever respond because once you respond, you've now... I do sometimes. I do. No, no. Thank you. 67:05 Thank you for missing that song. No, fuck you, bro. 67:08 I'm like, no, fuck you. Because I'm like, fuck this. Now, fuck you. I don't give a fuck about what my father's going to say, what anybody's going to say. And then the first comment will be, why do you respond? I'm like, fuck you. 67:21 You too. I'm like, oh, bro. Oh, mama, go talk to your mom. And then it's like, then I look bad. Yeah. Fuck, why are you? Yeah. Step down, you know, from this pedestal. Why did I step down? But sometimes, shit, bro, your instincts as a human, you know, kick in. It's like, yo, nah, fuck this guy, bro. You're like, nah, fuck this guy, bro. 67:45 So we do a lot of media training, right? Yeah. And a lot of the time we say, if you can't put it on a billboard for your mom to read, then don't do it. 67:52 Ooh. Shit. So that's a barometer you use. That's a barometer. 67:58 Hey. 68:00 Go tell him to your dad. Fuck you too, bro. I gotta go. Shit. So if your mom... 68:09 The minute you see it and you're like, okay, think about it and say, could I put, what, my response? Could I put it on a billboard for my mom to read? And if you can't, don't. 68:18 All my kids to see it. Yeah. My baby is to see it. 68:23 That's why I just choose to abstain from everything, bro. Because for example, right, you know like Oranya, right? Yeah. They hate black people. We all know that. Yeah, they're racist. And there's a WhatsApp group there. But if you're not in that WhatsApp group, you won't know what they're saying. So how does it affect you? 68:38 Exactly. So that's why I just choose to abstain because I'm like... Oh, so you being on Twitter is getting on that WhatsApp group of Oranya. Yeah. Oh, shit. But if you abstain... How come you didn't tell me this before? Like... 68:50 Like, I get it now. Like, oh, fuck. Because I'll be forever angry. And I hate racist. You racist white people. You. 69:04 Yeah. 69:05 I'll be miserable. It only exists when you see it. So if you don't see it, it doesn't exist. 69:10 Yeah, you don't know about it. You don't know about it. 69:14 Yeah. 69:15 Get out of Oranya, my nigga. Oranya. I feel too great. Oranya. Sonny's lying. He's going to be here tonight. 69:20 You'll see a boss. And I get your notification, so... Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? 69:27 Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? 69:31 Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? 69:33 Can I get back? Can I get back? 69:34 Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? Can I get back? 69:41 Can I 69:50 I know you guys are big fans of Andrew Tate. 69:54 Are you a fan? 69:55 I am. Look, there's a lot of things that he says that for me, it's like, you know, there's, I've got mad respect for people that are going to say things that nobody else is willing to say. That we know that is the truth, that is what's happening, you know? We speak about Israel-Palestine. You know, the racism that has happened with Argentinians. There's a lot of things that people don't want to say and people that have the balls to stand up and actually do it and say it. Mad respect for them. Yeah, true. Mad respect for them. 70:19 So he recently got arrested with his brother. They got arrested in Miami, USA by the US Marshal. 70:25 This is now because of they've got a combined charges of like 52 charges together. Nice. Yeah, it's bad, bad. 70:42 You know, Sol is clumsy. You'll know. You'll know Sol. When he moves, everything breaks. Yes, yes. But anyway, so... Now, these charges, they stem from human trafficking. This is including rape, sexual exploitation, tax evasion, and money laundering, and just other allegations that they have. Like, so... 71:04 again but we've seen this before where they um get arrested and it's like there's this whole thing agenda behind like do you think it's an agenda actually this one feels different man this one feels different because um so you got extradited it's not extradited no he's gonna be ar extradited yeah because it's actually the uk yeah they have a case against him yes and then the the americans allowed him to get arrested in america and extradited him to the uk so So UK is the one that has a problem with them, right? And now I've seen videos surfacing of like back then when we were starting his whole social media persona. 71:37 Where he does mention that he was a pimp. How he made his money. And he used to get girls to run cam, these cam things. 71:45 There's so many guys with money now who do that. He is big. 71:51 Especially in South Africa. Sorry to get in your mouth. So South Africa, obviously, we've got women who are very beautiful. Probably the best bodies in the world, according to what men find attractive in the world. Yeah, foreign nationals, a lot of them do those. Hips, palms, so many girls on cam soda, all these cam things. 72:09 I remember picking up my daughter. So my daughter goes to these classes on Thursdays. 72:15 And so I'm- They can't call the classes. 72:29 No, man, my baby is in grade two. She's in grade two. 72:37 She goes to classes. So my daughter does piano classes. All these extramural activities, you know? 72:43 And so the one time I'm there and I'm pulling out, just dropped her off at two o'clock till three. It's a one-hour thing. This guy in an E-class pulls up. 72:53 I'm like, hey, come on. 72:55 What's up? So I'm like, nice car, man. In my head. Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, what do you do, bro? He's like, oh, I've got a house here. And girls, it's a studio. Girls just do get there in the morning, do the streaming thing. Stream. So he's an online pimp, sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the thing is, that thing also... becomes serious pimping business because the clients who are streaming the girls can then go, yo. Because the girl is paying. 73:27 She just gets there with her body, does her thing. The guy's got the infrastructure. He's paying for the rent of the house. He's paying for the cameras, the lights that these guys have. 73:35 They respond to clients, everything. 73:37 Yeah, but online, he's got the logins, the password. Online, then the guys be like, okay, maybe the guy's paying them 10,000 a month. But then one guy can be like, I'll give you 4,000 rands for your time. And if it's five, eight, six guys... It's like now double the money that she's earning from these guys. So the people in South Africa is huge. I remember in the news, there was an Indian couple that does that in case they're in with them. 74:08 Yo! 74:11 There's a book I read. 74:13 Fuck. An epiphany. He just had an epiphany. No. 74:23 I spoke about this book. It's about investigations in South Africa. 74:27 Are you okay? 74:28 I'll give you the book name. I don't know the book, but now we'll put it up here. Put it up here. Literally, one of the first two stories. So it's about this guy, private investigator. It's about the hawks, actually. And some of the crazy cases they do. And one of them is like that. People just rent out mansions in case they're in. 74:48 and girls just live there and do all these things and sometimes there's obviously human rights violations trafficking all sorts of things yeah but it's serious business you've never done a story like that on complex business no no so i did um in fact i remember this there's a story that i chose not to do because i was like i can't i can't do this right and 75:13 And what's happening is that with these guys that do this kind of thing, they've gone into, they go into very poor areas. So there's an area somewhere out in Pretoria, but like, you know, like... 75:28 Wrong name to use. 75:29 Bro, the biggest girl in the post area. Yeah, like, you know that caravan park stuff. 75:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah, biggest victims. And that guy will, like, give the family a gram, and they'll give them their, like, two-year-old daughter. Because there's people that buy or are into that sort of child porn. Yeah. 75:45 Oh, no! 75:47 No, bro. No, man. You know, we have this argument and this thing about this whole Abahambe movement. There are people that are doing sick things in our country because of poverty, right? So they go into that area and, you know, obviously mothers on drugs, fathers on drugs. They've got, like, six kids and, you know... They see their kids as commodities. Yeah, so they see their kids as commodities. And I promise you, there's sick human beings somewhere all over the world that want to see someone having sex with a two-year-old or a one-year-old. Oh, I understand. And I remember the producer was like, let's go do the story. 76:20 I was like, my friend, I can't. I can't. I've got kids. I've got daughters. I can't do that story because I don't know what it'll do to me. I mean, there's stories that I've gone into. I can't. I mean, there's a doctor, for example. There's a story that we did with a doctor that was going into poor areas in South Africa. And he was saying that he can cure them of cancer. And he was literally butchering these women. And I remember this girl that came from the Eastern Cape and found this doctor online and he said he could cure the mom of cancer. 76:54 And he literally, you know, put them on, got them into a theater, et cetera. And so there was no cavity between her private part and her anus and everything was just coming out because of what he'd done to her. 77:11 I remember walking into this place and I could smell death. In fact, she died two weeks later. I interviewed this girl. And, you know, the most heartbreaking thing is, like, I killed my mom. She took responsibility for killing her mom because had she not found that doctor, her mom maybe, you know, might have lived or not lived. There are sick people in this country, guys. That's so evil, bro. Yeah, man. It's evil, dog. Like, there's people that are sick. 77:39 sick, sick, sick, sick, sick in this world. And some of the things that we see, they can never be reversed, you know? 77:46 Man, let's switch it up, man. 77:50 This is comedy from that compared to what you're saying. What do you guys think about this video where a robbery is happening and then these cops are seen walking in. They see the robbery and they decide to run away. 78:04 There we go. 78:06 In the uniform. There they go. All of them run away. 78:22 What is that, guy? And these guys are robbing like a tech shop, a food shop or some bullshit shop. They chose under a residential building where they sell the weeds and pop and maize mill. They ran. And they still have to go back home and the wife's going to ask, how does it work? 78:39 Oh. 78:43 I'm sure they'll proudly say, I ran. I survived. I'm going to return to Australia. 78:47 They didn't go with America. I ran. 78:52 Drop this. 78:53 They're probably going to need to buy, like, decotta or something. Because there's a robbery. That's what they're going to have to call it to death. 79:03 I'm sure you guys are tired of talking about... We're tired of talking about stuff like this. 79:17 We'll never know the story behind the story because there's probably a real story behind this. You come in, maybe you have left the firearms out there. 79:24 Nah, nah, nah. If you look close at the video, Especially the first guy in the bulletproof. He's got a holster. He's got a firearm. And the second guy. Everybody else with the jerseys, maybe not. But if you look at the first two guys, they do have firearms. 79:39 Sol, if you're a policeman and you get into a place and you realize that the person on the other end has got more firepower than you, and I'm your dacha boy, I'm outy like a TT, my boy. You know what I mean? 79:51 I'm outy like a TT. I'm outy like a TT. 79:59 Because people... And as a policeman as well, a civilian and your life come first. Don't try to be a hero. 80:08 But isn't it that when you take the job of being a police, you do realize that you could die on the job. And that's part of being a policeman, especially... 80:17 out in the field. 80:18 Yeah, but you also mustn't be stupid. You understand what I mean? Maybe they ran to get back up. They ran to get back up or get more firepower. Nah, they didn't. 80:28 They didn't because the criminals soon came out knowing that these guys just ran. They may have gone and get back up, which maybe came after four minutes. But normally it would be get back up and subdue the guys or keep them constrained within... Well, keep them... 80:45 restraint within the shop they're robbing. 80:50 You got guns, I get rummed out, at the door then, so they don't go out. 80:55 But they're just red for their life. Have you ever been shot at, Sal? 80:58 I'm not a cop. 81:00 When you're a cop, you sign up to get shot at. You realize that, right? When you sign up to be a cop, You won't get shot. Yes. Because if you are getting to go withdraw a man at the ATM and there's an ATM robbery and they see you in cop uniform, they shoot at you first. Yes. Even if you're not on duty. 100%. 81:22 I got a question I want to ask you guys. I got a question I want to ask you guys. Is this not the worst time to be a cop? Because obviously when you're a cop, you sign up to defend your country and the citizens in it. It's dangerous. With all the shit that's happening. Like the Matlaka Commission and the corruption at the top. 81:36 Are you going to be like, what the fuck am I defending? I can safely say that we have now reached Mafia State. We have now reached Mafia State. The things that we used to see at the movies about Pablo Escobar and how police are bought in Colombia and all of that. We are now there. 81:52 We are there. We are there, man. Then you sit down and you're like, what am I dying for? Yeah. Exactly. Because, think about it. And now you're going to die here and subdue them and point. When Feroz Khan is driving Porsches, Lamborghinis and Ferrari, my boss is involved in the road. 82:08 Then they shoot you twice. 82:19 Feroz Khan, name them, name them, name them. 82:28 You've got people like Feroz Khan. Wealthiest, wealthiest police. I'm sitting there thinking that nobody in the South African police services look at this guy and think like Oliponesa, you've got Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Porsche, whatever. Does it not make sense, right? That's a dirty car. Andrea Johnson. Oh, I understand. 82:44 Andrea Johnson. 82:45 All of these people, you like, when you start seeing this, you realize then the rot. Do I understand? So I'm not going to go into a shop and risk mine. My life. When my boss would drive a Porsche. 82:57 And you forgot one thing. So, the biggest boss of them all, the police minister, he's earned over 2.6 million in salary in the last year. 83:09 for not doing anything. What about for 15,000? About for 15,000 before tax. 83:14 So these guys are getting 15,000 before tax. The policeman, Sensem Kunu, who wants to shut down the PKTT, is suspended. Getting a salary. 83:23 Getting a salary. 83:24 Have you been to a police station? 83:26 His preacher's there. 83:27 Yeah. 83:30 Send them Kunu's pictures there when you get there. I don't know if Feroz Khan is there. Then there's Ramah. Yeah, for the first time there's three pictures. Because normally it's one police minister and the president. When you get to a police station. Now, Feroz Khan. You don't know who Feroz Khan is. He's the police minister who's doing Kunu's job. That he's getting paid for with full salary. Not doing a single thing. 83:55 He's the replacement of him. 84:00 Yeah. He's like a lawyer. He used to teach law school. That's crazy, man. So my thing is, why would these guys also risk their... Yeah. And also, another thing is, everything we're seeing coming out of the McGowan Commission tells us that the top brass of the police... Is corrupt. Is corrupt... Majority of them are corrupt. And the guys were not corrupt. 84:26 Not corrupt. 84:28 I'm not. Sorry, my bad. Thank you for actually. 84:32 Oh, yes. Kumalo. 84:37 These guys are outnumbered at the top. The good cops are outnumbered at the top. Yes. Right? Yes. And they're getting fought and getting arrested. 84:47 Instead of these guys focusing on fighting criminals, they're fighting criminals and their partners. Right? Because all these other guys who've got aspirations of being police commissioners, national commissioners, are in bed with their cartels. 85:03 Generals are in bed with their cartels. Top bosses, the guys who are meant to be clamping down on corruption, are in bed with their cartels. 85:11 But so this was a long time ago, dawg. Jackie Silebi. Jackie Silebi sold the country for a pair of shoes for President Tabombeki. Jackie Silebi. If you remember how long ago that was, when that whole mess started, it should have told you where we're headed to, right? And I'm not going to condone it. I'm not going to say, like, you know, you be the judge, right? So let's think about it practically. You are a policeman, right? You wake up in the morning. After deductions, you probably get 8,000 rand a month. 85:43 We have, after our medical aid, and that's like the loudest medical aid for 4,000 range these days. 85:49 In Cape Town alone, there are 300,000 documented, or they can count 300,000 drug users, right? If you are in... 300,000! Yeah, that they've been able to quantify. 86:03 But if there's a thousand, right? Let's say in your area, there's a thousand drug users, right? At 20 rand, right? At 20 rand. So it's immediately 20,000 rand if they buy once, right? If you're a drug user, you've got to go back three, four, five times. right? When? So how much is that? 86:24 Three, four, five times in what frequency? 86:26 A day, a day, a day, in a day, in a day, right? So you're making a million rand a day. You're going to protect that territory with your entire life. You're going to make sure that nobody comes in and cannibalizes your client. Oh, that's a big business, bro. Right? It's 86:40 That's money for your kids and your family. 86:41 So you're making a million rand a day. You protect that. As a drug dealer, right? Policeman is there, up and down, and you're like, policeman, Chief Mamel, don't disturb me. I'll give you 5,000 rand every Friday. Friday, come to my house, I'll give you 5,000 rand cash. In a month, that's 20,000 rand. That is already three times the salary that you did. And he's dealing about his kids and his family. And you're thinking, these are drug addicts, they're going to die anyway. Why must I now go into a shop like that and risk my life? 87:06 Hmm. 87:06 And my daughter wants piano lessons. Do you understand what I mean? So, and my boss is driving, my boss has got a collection of 20 cars. 87:15 So I must now go risk my life, stop this guy from meeting and being able to do his job while my boss is actually sitting, and the cops know. They know. They know what's going on. That's my thing. So neighborhood after neighborhood after neighborhood, that's what I'm saying. 300,000 documented in Cape Town. It's happening in Cape Town. It's happening in Durban. It's happening in Pumalanga. It's happening in Dimpopo. It's happening everywhere. It's a massive multi-billion rand industry. 87:42 A day. A day. If you think pasta shops make billions a day, nigga, drugs make 10 times a billion a day. Because you're not buying maize meal of Iwisa, 10 times a day. 87:55 Banging once a week. If you're buying the five kilos, two times a week. The drugs are something else. And the cops are in. So for me seeing this, it's like, yo, bro, how can we have on the ground disciplined, committed police officers, regardless of the pay, who want to get the job done when the guys at their very, very top are trying to shut down the PKTT? 88:19 Oh, allegedly, as we've seen, as Mkwanazie said, trying to shut down the PKTT. The guys who are part of the... What? 88:31 Kande. 88:32 Isn't... 88:33 Khan just remember it's part of the leadership. It's part of the leadership. 88:36 No, no, but it's in the intelligence. Intelligence. The guys in intelligence are meant to detect these things before they happen. But they are, it seems like Khan got to drug busts and he was their first. He's giving intelligence to the drug leaders. The intelligence is going to the drug team. Yeah. Not to the police. Watch out, watch out, watch out. Don't use that street. 88:57 They're going to come and catch you. 88:58 Yeah, even the other one who was transporting, who was helping Nku. Nku allegedly said he's a snitch. Yes. Or he's giving them intel. Brown Mukhozi. No, no, no. Rani Mokoti is somebody else. Nku and the other one, Heidelberg, who followed the track. Yes, yes, yes. To Eriton. Yo, bro, it's bad. You're like, yo. You guys are depressing me, man. 89:23 It's depressing. 89:25 When South Africans watch those videos, they must realize that these guys are under a leadership that is lining their own pockets. 89:33 Why would this guy die and leave his one-year-old baby? Do you know how amazing it is to have a one-year-old baby? 89:40 Frank, with Mac, what's on your mind, Frank? 89:42 And then you're going to die because you're going to protect the country. Meanwhile, the leadership is eating. 89:47 I think for me, the one thing that is on my mind, Mac, is that... Oh, what caught your attention this week? 89:52 What caught my attention this week? 89:53 No, what caught my attention this week, and I think everybody saw it, and what drove us all crazy, is the reaction of the Argentinians after losing the World Cup. 90:02 You know, like me, I'm a Ronaldo fan, first of all, right? 90:08 And it's not about anything because I just think he's an incredible sportsman. He's played with various teams, et cetera, et cetera. But all the stuff that came out about Argentina, right? All the stuff that came out about Argentina, about how racist they are, and I lost... absolutely every single respect that I had for them as a country, you know what I mean? And a nation. And a nation because that reaction that we saw after they lost the World Cup summarized what people have been saying for the past week, right? And, you know, we go into these countries, we go to these places like, oh, no, my God, I was in Argentina, not realizing how sick it is and what a beautiful country we actually have. 90:45 Right. And for me, the thing that caught my attention is that, you know, we sell ourselves short, Mac. We really sell ourselves short with many things. This country has got an incredible amount of potential. Another amazing thing that was like, seeing how South Africans are now finally taking on these roles that we thought that, here, South Africans are lazy. They're now starting to build the tuck shops. We're now starting to see them at checker 6060. And there's money there at checker 60, bro. And there's money there, guys. 91:14 I met a guy in Roseburg like two years ago. 91:20 And I think I did. I told the story. This new way people can live, bro. Because to the cost versus what you earn. Yes, you're not earning a million rands a month, but your cost of just doing the job. You can actually live. 91:35 But as you were, yes. And I'm almost like starting to see the sort of change and revolution that is happening in our country, right? Because you know, as South Africans who are angry, we burn shit. 91:48 And we stopped being angry for a very, very long time. We stopped being angry for a very long time, but that tide has now turned. And in fact, I said this to the minister when I had him on the show that, you know, The first part of the ANC manifesto, whatever, says the people shall govern. The people are now governing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. South Africans are now finding their voice again. And now, because we've got to take this country back. We've got nowhere else to go. 92:12 Nothing's happening at the border because March and March is putting pressure. It shouldn't get to the point where March and March are putting pressure on the government. 92:21 What are you laughing at, bro? It's so skilly between us, bro. 92:27 Sol's on fire. 92:29 Can we just have the close-up on Sol, the whole show? Wait, what am I doing? 92:34 What am I doing? Wait, what am I doing? 92:41 No, man. He said the people are governing and my thing is, the government is not doing something about borders because of March and March. So when he said that, it struck that chord. So sorry for my reaction. But I'm like, yeah, actually, the people are governing. Sorry. And chillers hate this because I disturbed the thought of the chillers, of the guests. So sorry, man. No, but he's family. Please pick it up. Yeah. He's a professional. Thank God. How long until the next reaction? I think 15 seconds? 93:10 20 minutes? Come on, man. 93:24 So I see how beautiful our country is becoming and how people are finally wading up and saying. 93:36 And I think for me, as a journalist, we've always seen the rot that happens. And there's only a little bit that we can cover. But the Madlanga Commission, what it's done, it's, you know, really opened up. And we're now able... He didn't laugh. Open up the Pandora's box. 93:50 Like, it really, nah, bruh. It says that Mac is poetic also, you know. Like, it opened up everything, bro. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, go on, man. Sorry, man. 93:59 And we're finally able to see the rot that's happening in our country. I'm just hoping that come November, we make the right choice and the changes happen and we take our country back. 94:07 Because if we don't... Are you allowed to say who you're voting for? Who, me? Yeah. You're not, no? 94:12 You know, I can say I'm probably allowed to, but I can't. I would rather not because I don't want to be... I vote for South Africa and I vote for South Africans and I think each and every single one of us has a responsibility to make a difference in where we believe a difference can be made. I'm not going to advocate for any party whatsoever. I put absolutely no trust in any of them. If you've been watching the Madlanga Commission and you've been reading the news, you know that none of them can be trusted. All of them. All of them. All of them. We need... We need something new. 94:43 We need something different because all of them are rotten, no matter where they are, whether it's a white-aligned party or a black-aligned party or a consciousness-aligned party or a Zulu party, whatever party it is, we need something new and something different, and that's something that needs to come out of us as South Africans because enough is enough. 94:59 And if they disappoint us, It's okay. We were already disappointed for us to consider other parties. Anyway, then we'll go to others who will disappoint us. But at least we'll try something different. Nah, bro. PNC, PNC party. Nah, bro. Love my piece, dog. That's some mafia shit. Hey, we're running there for the signatures at Vets. You had agreed to it initially. No, no, but I wasn't going to be the face. Oh, yes. It was going to be Eugene Cosa. I'm going to twist your arm there. No, no. JJ's good with words. Let me give you something. 95:29 Oh, yeah. 95:29 And you're on the show. You're on the show. No, no, no, no. It was one of my absent days. No. 95:35 It was one of the days. I'm too sober to fucking agree to that shit. It was one of the absent days. I was going to... Why do you think I'm never absent? And this nigga's always gone. I was gone for one week and came back and we were starting a party. I was like, no. So I was like, you. 95:57 Who missed the party? I was good for one week, man. Next time I had a party here, bro. 96:04 What's going on? Here's a task I'm going to give us, right? Especially as a network, right? This cannabis thing, let's get onto it, right? Let's get people to invest in it. Let's bring about change and let's save lives through it. Because that's the one thing that we can boldly do without anybody ever disturbing us. Because it's an industry that's waiting to be harvested. Let's go. Simple. 96:23 Simple. It's the only solution, man. We have to just work together and forget about these guys, bro. Just forget about these guys. 96:30 It's not going to do anything for us, bro. Yeah, let's just do things. Work for ourselves, man. 96:36 It's every man for himself. 96:38 What got your attention this week, Benduk? Oh, my goodness. 96:40 Dude, it was a cops thing, obviously. But our producer took it from my WhatsApp status. Stole your content! 96:50 It's all good. I'm content. 96:58 Yo, did you see Vinny Junior? Vinicius Junior? 97:04 What the fuck, bro? I thought this was not real. He's a new man. I thought it was AI. You know what he's talking about? Who's that? 97:12 He's a footballer. 97:13 He plays for Brazilian Madrid, Real Madrid. 97:16 So as soon as they got knocked out of the World Cup, he decided to have a neck surgery. 97:21 Yeah, so I think he's already decided. But he went for a scheduled surgery. They say it's a neck thing, but I think it's chin. They say it's a chin thing, but it's a different guy. This is beyond. They did more work than him. They did more work on him. He said it's chin. 97:39 But it's not chin, bro. He's a different guy. Look at him. 97:44 Are you telling me a change of chin? So that's him on the left, né? Yeah. That's the old him. And then him in the black shirt there. That's the same guy. 97:51 That's the same guy. Nah, okay, aliens. This is aliens. Nah, bro. This is like Illuminati shit, dog. 97:58 Also, also, look at his teeth. It's different, yes. The incisors. Maybe he didn't see that. The incisors, which are like the Dracula teeth. There. Yes. Yes. 98:07 A gun. A gun. Okay, but the smile is, the lower lip is not as open. But nah, bro. It is the same person, but I'm saying it's more than just chin work, bro. 98:21 Yes, for a second. Chin funding. 98:31 No, that's a different human being, dog. 98:40 Bro, I didn't even know the head operation was like that. It's like Asha before he had money, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. 98:48 Dude. So he did have a chin procedure. It's called chin harmonization. Chin harmonization. So it was performed by a dermatologist. 99:00 And what happened is that it's a very minimal invasive treatment. And it uses dermal fillers, right? So like Botox, essentially. So to reshape, project, and define the chin and the jawline. So that's what he did. 99:17 So to attach the skin and the tissues underneath. 99:20 Essentially it's Botox. The dermal tissues. Yeah, it's Botox. Yeah. Essentially, yeah. 99:24 And it's face lifting, guys. Because... Yeah. 99:28 No, but that's like a totally different person. 99:30 Like, chin lifting, what do I demo a foothaek, man? No! 99:34 Because look... Look at the smile and look at here. It looks different. There's a hump bump just above the eyes on the new picture than the old one. So I feel like it's more than chin work because it's a different human being. And my thing is, he didn't look bad initially. No, he didn't. There's a thing. He looks unique. 99:56 No, you're looking like a black guy. No, you didn't look unique, but not like. 100:03 I think I'd like to see a side profile. It would be much better. I see the before, but with the after, I don't see a side profile. 100:10 Like before, you could meet him like airtime, you understand? 100:16 Now he looks clean, you know. 100:20 Yo, dog, what's going on? What are we doing later? Can we play FIFA 2025? 100:23 All of the things that you guys are criticizing is Botox. You see how you said his forehead? Yeah. So obviously Botox, because it's like fillers of some sort, obviously they will now stretch out the lines. Yeah, in the Dermot. 100:33 What, you said Dermot? 100:34 Yeah. So it's possible. 100:38 It seems like he had an underbite from the previous four. So that's why now you could have a chin operation now to just bring back the chin. 100:48 Okay. And he can't stop scoring goals now. As soon as he stops scoring goals, he's in shit. Chin underbite. You must score more. 101:02 So what's... Wait, first time I heard underbite, over... Like, I've always heard overbite. What does an overbite look like and what's an underbite? 101:09 An overbite is when your upper teeth come forward. 101:12 The lisp. No, no, no. It's not the lisp. Underbite is the lisp. 101:16 No. 101:17 Like, when your teeth, like... 101:20 The altito effect. 101:22 No, that's a lisp. That's a lisp. And then an underbite is when you've got your bottom jawline coming out. 101:29 Your bottom teeth are under, over. 101:33 So it's an overbite when they hang over and then under it's when your lower jaw. 101:38 So it's like when they bite here or they bite there? 101:41 Y'all over here. No more Python. 101:44 No more Python's like deep throats, you know? 101:47 Does she have my phone? 101:55 We got this. 102:00 We got this. 102:01 I'm okay with... Because we've seen women change their bodies. I just hope that he changes looks based on him not liking how he looked. Bro, when I saw this, I'm like, there's no way. Not bullying. Because he got bullied in Spain. Racism. He got bullied by white people. Yeah. Yeah. He got bullied by blacks. I saw a headline. I don't know if it's AI or if it's fake news or not. But when Neymar was like laughing that he's the ugliest player, he's played alongside. 102:32 No, no, that's fake news. That's fake news. Yeah. But like, I hope it's not that kind of stuff that got him to change. It's him not liking. Because it's okay to change how you look if you've got the money to do it or you've got the time to do it. Because sometimes it takes time in the gym. Yeah. 102:49 McFarlane, man. We appreciate you. Thank you so much for your time, man. This has been amazing. Why aren't you this funny on your show, dog? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 102:56 I was telling him. No, I told him when he came in. I'm like, oh, you're getting in your new sneakers and stuff. And you're like, hey. 103:04 On your show, you're like, oh, suits. And you're like, you know, like. 103:07 Yeah, but like, I am a serious guy. 103:08 No, you're not a serious guy. You have a serious part in you. You're not a serious guy, bro. 103:18 I'm a serious guy. 103:24 And my thing is that, for me, I've always respected the kind of work that I do. The craft. Respect the craft. But I've got a personality outside of that, right? Because I can't be on Cod Brunton like... 103:36 No, no, no, not Cod Blanc. I'm talking about the podcast. We understand why you're on Cod Blanc. We get it, bro. 103:41 Because even so, when he was on Kaya, he wasn't... Yeah, I didn't have Cod Blanc. 103:45 I didn't have Cod Blanc to do as I wanted. 103:49 So, but on my podcast, so here's the thing, right? We have this within the network. We've got all of this in the network, right? We've got Noda screaming and shouting and what have you. It's a fucking mess. Right? Do you understand what I mean? And for me, it's just, let's bring a different element. Because we do have people in an audience that want to listen to politics. That's what a network is. It's different offerings. So it's different offerings. I'm giving that offering that nobody else is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Your network. So, number one. It's right. 104:23 So I'm giving a different offering to the network where there are people that probably love and want to support the network, but they don't fucks with all of this other stuff. They would much rather listen to news in a different way and a guy that they can relate with. But also I can get to school like, yo, what's up boys? That's what's going on. No. 104:45 What's a rugby school? What happened last night? Hey, boy keys, let's go for a beer, eh? Do you understand what I mean? So I've been able to traverse those different kind of sort of universes and I want to bring them in and make my show about touching those different people and giving them that opportunity. 105:01 With the, hey, my oak, while I was at rugby school, did you see that tribe? I can do that. Yeah. Yeah. 105:08 You can still be drunk with those guys. I don't want you to be drunk. But just to be yourself. And more freer. Everything you said you can still do with being less uptight. And less suits. 105:24 And less corporate. Let me show you the range. 105:29 I could do that to those boys. And I could chill with Karas. And I'd be able to relate to those boys. Do you understand what I mean? And it's having that flexibility of being able to do that kind of stuff, whether you are kokasi, whether you're in corporate, whether you're here. I know what you mean, yeah. Do you understand what I mean? Because, unfortunately, because of where we come from and how we grew up, we had to be comedians. Pela, your mom or your parents don't know the soul. Your mom, right, doesn't know soul. 106:01 Okay, dad also, baby. Absolutely. 106:12 We walk into certain places and there's a mask that we put on. You walk into an advertising agency, there's a mask that you put on. You walk into YFM, there's a mask that you put on. You walk into a client, there's a mask that you put on. You walk into a home, there's a mask that you put on. You go to your wife, there's a mask that you put on. No. 106:32 You don't realize it, but you're not the soul there. You're not the soul there. You're not the soul there. But you sort of assimilate all of these characters, and that's who you then become, right? So who I am at Carte Blanche, who I am at Podcast and Chill, who I am with the boys watching rugby, who I am on my old boys' WhatsApp line are different people. But that is the beautiful mix to the poikikos that makes me who I am. 107:00 Do you feel like if you didn't have a mask on Podcast and Chill Network, it would fuck with your carte blanche shit. Because it would be like, whoa, he drinks a lot. Whoa, he asks some fucked up questions. Do you feel like, because... What episode have you been listening to? 107:21 We literally spoke about drugs for an hour. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, he's a guest here. I'm talking about Oni's show. 107:29 Come on, man. So here's my thing, right? I'm sure you're hosting. 107:32 Yeah. 107:33 I'm talking about on his show. On his show. 107:38 On his show. For me, you know what? I don't want him to be... He's such a funny guy. He is. He is. And a relatable guy. But I don't get it on your show. And I get what you said before. And you may repeat that now. 107:53 I think Saul wants like a slick talk delivery. No! 107:56 Be friend with Matt with a slick talk delivery. Not a slick talk delivery. Just... 108:03 We'll show you ghosting. Yeah. Yeah, who show you ghosting? Stitcher could do with a ghost lady. 108:16 I wanted to ask you, the transition from traditional to podcasting, how has it been for you? 108:25 Because I've seen so many guys who come from broadcasting, radio, TV, struggle, bro, with this whole new medium, digital... 108:34 you know what i mean i'm gonna give kudos to the both of you right and i'm gonna give kudos to the both of you because you guys sort of mapped out what the what the road map looks like yeah right now i've always been very versatile you know you the reason why i know the reason that i'm here is because you felt that people need to see that other mac thank you right people need to see the mac that i i know i'm a professional i Through and through in the work that I do. 109:05 But there's also this Mac here that's allowed to be free, open, speak about things that they wear. Because it's a hole. 109:12 You know what I mean? 109:14 And I think, you know, he asked me a question at that meeting where he ended up at DeepSluet, right? Cut a long story. So he said, why did you join the network? And I said to him, because I wanted to buy myself another 15, 20 years in the industry because... whatever's happening out there that's going to die and it's going to die very soon right but i know my personality and i know who i am and i know i've got so much more that i could be able to offer to the industry but i can't do it um in these other platforms that i'm involved in you know i want to work with kids i want to build i want to train i want to educate i want to you know give people because i know what i've been through to get to where i am And I don't want people to make those, those, those kind of mistakes. 109:55 Right. And why I wanted to give kudos to the both of you is that because you guys have had to go through that baptism of fire. You had to get fired. You had to get fired. You had to go through shit. People telling you this, you guys are this, you guys are that and, and, and, and, and whatever. And a lot of the time you've got to pick yourself up and once again, show your face, right? Once again, show your face and say, I've made mistakes. I've messed up. I fucked up. I'm sorry, but this is me. This is who I am. It just, Do you understand what I mean? And be the best version of yourself to the people that support and love you. 110:26 That's it. I owe no one an explanation. I owe no one an apology. The only person that I actually really, really care about is my mom because I don't want to disappoint her because I've been raised by a powerful lady. They have gotten me to where I am. Except for the kids. 110:42 Shut up, man. 110:49 No, ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Be Frank with Mac. Make sure you check him out every single Sunday. APA, baby! Banna! Banna! Banna!